Yes, I did lick something related to life....
Smack.....
Smack....
No.....not the lid.....OH!.....WT after-taste......yuck.....
Your right.....lids are better.....
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Vernon Williams
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Do you lick the lid of life??
by ilovegravy inok, so there`s a tv ad doing the rounds in the uk about yoghurt and its strapline is "do you lick the lid of life?
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to my knowledge, and i could be wrong here, but as far as i know, yoghurt in cartons is the only food in which our instant reaction is to lick the lid...i can`t think of any more ...can you?.
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Would Any of You be Interested in going Door to Door?
by smellsgood inas part of a cult awareness campaign of sorts???
to de-ignorize (new word) householders and give them tools for engaging a cult member on their door step?
i had that idea and got some positive feedback...so, any of you would find that something you would want to participate in ?
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I meant: spend a hundred bucks on a banner that you have made...
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Would Any of You be Interested in going Door to Door?
by smellsgood inas part of a cult awareness campaign of sorts???
to de-ignorize (new word) householders and give them tools for engaging a cult member on their door step?
i had that idea and got some positive feedback...so, any of you would find that something you would want to participate in ?
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A and W,
I understand, as do many, MANY here, your "wanting to even the score" in some way. I have spent a LOT of time going over this topic. Here, for what they are worth, are my "after four and a half year exited opinion:"
Following the Witnessess to do what? Talk to people who don't give a hoot aobut the Witnessess and thier message? The vast, vast majority of people are not at home, could care less, or are angered by these chuckleheads being on thier doorstep. It might frustrate the Witnessess...but, due to the cult induced idea of "persecution" and "the evil slave," probably not.
Maybe, a better idea (and, this is what I am planning on doing) is this: the ones to help are in what I call the WT Twighlight Zone: those that are thinking of comming in and are still investigating and those that are in and want out...but do not know how to go about it.
They are at the Kingdom Halls. They can not be approached, they can be notified. How? Banners.
Contact Silent Lambs. They can arrange for a banner for you to post. Spend a hundred bucks, note the web site address, real simple, real plain, (contact the site, first, for permission) and pick a web site you like. Start a route...say five halls in your area. Each Sunday, simply put up the banner, kick back in a lawn chair, read a book, drink a glass of ice tea, and relax. Network and have someone assist. If you are broke, like I am, generate the money through donations. Pick a ministry that offers email and a phone number.
Here is my site:
http://jwmidwest.com/index.asp
Make sure the exiting ministry you pick is moderate, balanced, fair. Here is an example:
In this way, you reach the ones that are in a decision mode: either almost in or almost out....
PM me if you want further discussion....I have a hard time keeping up with threads.
Take care,
With empathy,
Yours in this Journey,
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Knowing what I know, now, if I was going into a judicial meeting like you, I would take in a bucket of water, throw it on the two Elders I did not like, and calmly set down like nothing happened.
I would tell them it is an object lesson. The water would be the water from the pool at the YMCA. I would tell them water is water, YMCA or not. See? You guys are just wet. It is just water.....
But that is me.
I do not always take the wisest course, however, usually, I get my point across.
Wishing you the best...your a wiser guy than me....
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Help Needed on Problems with WTS
by WT=watchtrouble inhi everyone, hope this finds you all well!
i am in the process of getting out, but could do with help.. i am wanting to know more of the doubts/concerns, cover ups/scandals and abuse etc.
i keep getting asked why i am no longer going but find it hard to have material to back up what i am saying.
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Vernon Williams
I have not been out as long as many, here.
IMHO (In my hillbilly opinion) the two softest spots on the underbelly of the WT is this:
697BC: Get the book "The Gentile Times Reconsidered" by Carl Olof Johnson. Read it. Buy an extra copy.
Central Theme of the Good News: Not God's Goverment: It is the Oportunitty of reconciliation to the Creator through the person of Christ.
PM me for some follow up.
Hang tough.
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she left me today......
by theinfamousone ini went out to see my sister and my mom... when i got back she said she was leaving... when i asked why, she said she was weirded out by my lack of trust.... i couldnt trust her,, so i hid things... its not her fault, its not like i was lying or anything, but i mean some shit, i just didnt tell her... i am so used to being called names, lectured and torn apart for being 100% honest, that now, i still am scared to let anyone completely in... now the best thing that ever happened to me is gone... she left and im not sure shes ever coming back... and iom not sure who to blame.. i mean its obviously my fault, but did the borg put a fear of trusting into my heart and soul?
i guess i cant blame anyone but myself... but at this point, im so torn and hurt that im not sure what to do... all i know is that what was finally having the semblance of family to me is now gone... the first time i was able to live with someone and love someone, albeiut with an ingrained sense of distrust, has disappeared, probably never to return..... .
this has broken me, i don't know what i will be doing with myself for the next couple of days... i feel almost dead inside... the infamous one.
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Hey, I don't have a clue what is going on with you and your wife....
I, only, wish you the best. I sign a lot of my letters and posts "Yours in this Journey." I think we see a lot of peaks when we travel this life: the high places where the air is cold, you see far, and you are within a heartbeat of the Eternal.
Lots of times, though, especially for people like you that have the heart to feel the Hurt, man, it can be the foulest swamp and the darkest jungle on Earth. That is Journey: some of it just sucks.
I am glad you are here....in this place of understanding and empathy. We are drawn together by technology as far as a means of communicaton, however, the true "here" are persons of Commen History and Concern.
It seems you and this whole "God deal" are in a bit of turmoil. Despite that, be assuured of my prayers for you this night. From a distance, with the exception of this email "Hope you get well card" it is the best I can do.
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How much control does the WTS really have?
by dozy ina theme regularly running through ex-jw / apostate posts is their conviction that the worship of jws is at best of a high control basis or at worst exhibits cult-like tendencies , so they often delight in the freedom that they now enjoy.. but in reality , how much control is exhibited on the average witness?
to take one example , at least 40k are dfd in an average year , and one would assume 3 - 5x this figure are reproved privately or publicly.
that means that over a 10 year period 20% - 25% of jws are seriously flouting the strongest moral code of jws , usually for immorality , emphasized in wt after wt , meeting after meeting.
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Here is a bit of a naughty comment: I have told it to a few JWs that have talked to me: forgive the graphic nature of the comment, please.
I told them the Elders, basically, "have you by the balls" and are threaterning to rip them out (by destroying your life) if you resist the GB.
My take was this: Go ahead and yank!!
I would rather be a free steer than a chained bull....but that is just me.
Yours on a free range and feeding well, (and, surprisingly, balls bigger than ever....)
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How much control does the WTS really have?
by dozy ina theme regularly running through ex-jw / apostate posts is their conviction that the worship of jws is at best of a high control basis or at worst exhibits cult-like tendencies , so they often delight in the freedom that they now enjoy.. but in reality , how much control is exhibited on the average witness?
to take one example , at least 40k are dfd in an average year , and one would assume 3 - 5x this figure are reproved privately or publicly.
that means that over a 10 year period 20% - 25% of jws are seriously flouting the strongest moral code of jws , usually for immorality , emphasized in wt after wt , meeting after meeting.
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Here is a bit of a naughty comment: I have told it to a few JWs that have talked to me: forgive the graphic nature of the comment, please.
I told them the Elders, basically, "have you by the balls" and are threaterning to rip them out (by destroying your life) if you resist the GB.
My take was this: Go ahead and yank!!
I would rather be a free steer than a chained bull....but that is just me.
Yours on a free range and feeding well, (and, surprisingly, balls bigger than ever....)
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I ponder on time with friends..
by Sparkplug inthe older i get the more i have to evaluate myself.
i have noted a loyalty to a fault with friends.
i truly have thought on that.
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Spark,
There is a time to move on....
During the intensity of exiting, I hooked up with a very interesting family while doing the remodel on my son's house so we could sell it (an eighteen month nightmare that lost money....) The hubby learned the basics of remodeling from me and can, now, tackle anything around his house. The wife gained a lot of experitse about managing a household from hints my wife left. (They are Roman Catholic....six kids and growing....) They let me spend a lot of time talking things out and challanging me on stupid comments I would make. It was a good mix...for a while.
Then, differences in family values, politics, and the like started becomming manifest. The hubby cursed my wife over an issue on the phone. That was that. I have said hi to him once (he stopped while I was loading my son's bike on our jeep) in the last eight months and do not plan on stopping by again. It is the way of things.
My family was good for them, they were good for me.
I, still, pray for them time to time and hope the best for them and thiers.
Wishing you well on your re-evaluation of the relationships that are worth the cost, hassle, and time that are the needed ingrediants of mutually beneficial relationships. The average person can handle about three friend ships, several work and neighbor buddies, and a host of folks like the ones on the board.
Life is good.....
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Just watching my daughter's High School video yearbook with her . . .
by Madame Quixote inand thinking how normal they all look and act - having all kinds of worldly fun, very unself-consciously.
my daughter is so happy with getting a copy of the video yearbook from her digital video prodcutions class at a discount .
it's cool to actually see her participating in all the wacky events she spent hours throughout the school year preparing for the night or week before: the school spirit week, tacky day, the prom; the many friends and social events.
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I rejoice that your daughter had the opportunity to have a somewhat "normal" life. Our kids did not. The folks that got out early enough for thier children to be raised with the chance of education, recreation, and a future detached from this destructive, morbid, depressing, dead end cult with very fortunate.
I damn the arrogance and selfishness of the Presidents and GB that created the enviroment my children were raised in. I have some great kids. If they had had the opportunities to truely develope outside this cult.....no telling the results.....
Wishing you and your daughter a continued bright future,
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